the following correspondence between X. and i ensued after i posted a response to T. on a facebook bulletin board re universal health care in the united states. i have heretofore never met or engaged with either T. or X., nor are they on any of my friend lists.
T.
Survival of the fittest. You can't afford health care? Not my problem and not from my tax dollars. I went to college, I have a good job and I have health insurance that I pay for.
Paola Lopez
dear T: not everyone can afford college and obviously not everyone can afford to pay for health insurance. not your problem? then go to your doctor, which millions are not fortunate enough to have, and ask her for the definition of a "sociopath" because you're due for a diagnosis.
X.
Get a clue. Socialism has never worked. Will never work. What made America great was hardworking people that created the own breaks and made what they could out of their lives. In a Socialist society there is no reward for hard work. You must have never heard a joke about city, state, or county workers. You can't tell me one thing the government that is better in the public sector compared to the private sector.
Paola Lopez
ha! for one, you need not worry. your daddy's commie fears are not about to materialize. what is trying to manifest is not real socialism. nothing obama has proposed thus far concerning healthcare (or anything else for that matter) is genuine socialism. presently, what is on the table is something which still allows you to reap the rewards of any opportunity you have to be better off than your neighbors. in other words, if you are in a financially viable position due to luck, hard work, however you wanna spin it - then you will still be able to get better health coverage than those who are not in your position. so that social superiority you value and defend will still be yours, never fear.
i implore you to deeply study socialism and compare it to what is being proposed by obama before deciding socialism is a system only designed to take from each citizen without any reward. that there have been failed attempts at communist governments in the past does not mean that socialist governments cannot work in the present and future. there are several countries today who employ socialist measures to varying degrees with a HUGE amount of success; france and norway are two good examples.
X.
How about Brazil? They run a socialist farming practice. Compare it to the farming practice in the United States. When people are planting and harvesting their OWN crops, they will give more effort due to the fact the will receive a reward. What is the incentive for the farmers in Brazil to replant their crops or take the necessary options to ensure the best crop they can get?
Look at public housing in America. Who do they all look like shitholes? Because people don't take care of them. Why would they?
Now take a homeowner. Most will do what they can to keep their dwellings looking decent. I am telling you ownership was the key in making the United States the best county in the world.
Paola Lopez
brazil: like i said, what is currently being proposed by obama still allows for personal incentive, if you feel this is your right to fully exploit. but what must be understood about incentive is that it requires one to be fortunate enough to be in a position of means and mobility to chase that dangling carrot in front of you so that you may make for yourself more dangling carrots, but not everyone is; they are tethered down by invisible ropes - things like poor education, mental disability or illness prevent everyone from being able to pursue opportunities even if they are able to recognize them, and many times they cannot even do that.
it is as though an olympic sprinter and a wheelchair bound person were both told to race. the prize is a highly incentive $1,000,000. however, whoever loses does not get to possess means by which to sustain a living (food, shelter, etc.), that can only be achieved by the $1,000,000 won. obviously, the person in the wheelchair simply couldn't run this race no matter how badly they wanted to. should they be denied the means to live?
incentive can be a tool to achieve success but it assumes an ability to pursue (fiscally, mentally, physically and via other resources) and not everyone has that. it is the familiar "you need $100 to make $500." that is only a fantastic opportunity if you have $100.
as for public housing, unfortunately. that is not a good example because "homeowners" don't own their own home any more than a renter or person in public housing does. the bank owns it. if the poor felt they were entitled to more, as much as anyone else, which they are, then using the philosophy you're referring to, they too would feel the motivation to take care of a public housing facility which is just as much theirs as your house is yours. plus, keep in mind people in public housing are often not just financially challenged but often struggling with severe disabilities of one sort or another. that again, is an invisible tether against motivation to keep up their place that people who are not ill repetitively fail to remember.
T.
Survival of the fittest. You can't afford health care? Not my problem and not from my tax dollars. I went to college, I have a good job and I have health insurance that I pay for.
Paola Lopez
dear T: not everyone can afford college and obviously not everyone can afford to pay for health insurance. not your problem? then go to your doctor, which millions are not fortunate enough to have, and ask her for the definition of a "sociopath" because you're due for a diagnosis.
X.
Get a clue. Socialism has never worked. Will never work. What made America great was hardworking people that created the own breaks and made what they could out of their lives. In a Socialist society there is no reward for hard work. You must have never heard a joke about city, state, or county workers. You can't tell me one thing the government that is better in the public sector compared to the private sector.
Paola Lopez
ha! for one, you need not worry. your daddy's commie fears are not about to materialize. what is trying to manifest is not real socialism. nothing obama has proposed thus far concerning healthcare (or anything else for that matter) is genuine socialism. presently, what is on the table is something which still allows you to reap the rewards of any opportunity you have to be better off than your neighbors. in other words, if you are in a financially viable position due to luck, hard work, however you wanna spin it - then you will still be able to get better health coverage than those who are not in your position. so that social superiority you value and defend will still be yours, never fear.
i implore you to deeply study socialism and compare it to what is being proposed by obama before deciding socialism is a system only designed to take from each citizen without any reward. that there have been failed attempts at communist governments in the past does not mean that socialist governments cannot work in the present and future. there are several countries today who employ socialist measures to varying degrees with a HUGE amount of success; france and norway are two good examples.
X.
How about Brazil? They run a socialist farming practice. Compare it to the farming practice in the United States. When people are planting and harvesting their OWN crops, they will give more effort due to the fact the will receive a reward. What is the incentive for the farmers in Brazil to replant their crops or take the necessary options to ensure the best crop they can get?
Look at public housing in America. Who do they all look like shitholes? Because people don't take care of them. Why would they?
Now take a homeowner. Most will do what they can to keep their dwellings looking decent. I am telling you ownership was the key in making the United States the best county in the world.
Paola Lopez
brazil: like i said, what is currently being proposed by obama still allows for personal incentive, if you feel this is your right to fully exploit. but what must be understood about incentive is that it requires one to be fortunate enough to be in a position of means and mobility to chase that dangling carrot in front of you so that you may make for yourself more dangling carrots, but not everyone is; they are tethered down by invisible ropes - things like poor education, mental disability or illness prevent everyone from being able to pursue opportunities even if they are able to recognize them, and many times they cannot even do that.
it is as though an olympic sprinter and a wheelchair bound person were both told to race. the prize is a highly incentive $1,000,000. however, whoever loses does not get to possess means by which to sustain a living (food, shelter, etc.), that can only be achieved by the $1,000,000 won. obviously, the person in the wheelchair simply couldn't run this race no matter how badly they wanted to. should they be denied the means to live?
incentive can be a tool to achieve success but it assumes an ability to pursue (fiscally, mentally, physically and via other resources) and not everyone has that. it is the familiar "you need $100 to make $500." that is only a fantastic opportunity if you have $100.
as for public housing, unfortunately. that is not a good example because "homeowners" don't own their own home any more than a renter or person in public housing does. the bank owns it. if the poor felt they were entitled to more, as much as anyone else, which they are, then using the philosophy you're referring to, they too would feel the motivation to take care of a public housing facility which is just as much theirs as your house is yours. plus, keep in mind people in public housing are often not just financially challenged but often struggling with severe disabilities of one sort or another. that again, is an invisible tether against motivation to keep up their place that people who are not ill repetitively fail to remember.
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